Allah Disproved (With Video And Text)?


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Is this a disproof of Allah that I've come up with?

EDIT#5: My Allah disproof attempt put concisely and simply:


1. Allah knows for certain he will create Adam. 2. Allah is unable to not create Adam. 3. Therefore Allah cannot be all-knowledgeable, all-powerful and have freewill as these are contradictory. Allah disproved?


C. Allah is false / This version of Allah disproved.


So, Allah has to create Adam because He always knew He would create him. If you say Allah doesn't have to create him then what he always knew, that he would create Adam, is false and he can't tell the future for all eternity. Allah wouldn't be all-knowing because he got what he knew for certain wrong.

Allah can't be all-powerful because He can't even stop the creation of Adam, He has to create Adam to remain all-knowing, Allah doesn't have freewill either because He has to create him, He has no choice but to create him.

This is a possible disproof of the New Muslim Dawah Movement version of Allah because:

They say Allah knows everything including all the future. They say Allah can do anything which is possible and has freewill Himself. As I have shown there are things Allah, if he is all-knowledgeable in this sense, cannot do so isn't all-powerful. He is unable to choose to not create Adam so He doesn't have freewill either. It would be a logical contradiction to say "Allah knows for certain that He will create Adam but certainly doesn't create Adam". It's like saying "Allah will create Adam but Allah will not create Adam", or, "Allah knows for certain he will create Adam and knows for certain he might not create Adam". That's really bad logic and is certainly false if I'm right.

Why is it a disproof of Allah in short?

Because saying Allah is all-knowing, all-powerful and has freewill is contradictory.


OLD POST:

EDIT#3: Was on The Atheist Experience and Matt Dillahunty completely, seemingly destroyed the original argument so I've come up with a modified version below. I'm writing a transcript of it later.

EDIT#4: I'm changing the argument to "is this a disproof of Allah, the Muslim God, who knows the future for all eternity under most New Muslim definitions of Allah?"


EDIT#2: I want to now say I know this is a disproof of a God but I feel very unconfident about it for some reason.

Okay, so it's sort of the freewill paradox mixed with the omnipotent and omniscient paradox I think. I doubt no one has come up with it before, but I can't find it via a search and I'm not sure what you call it. I believe there's something wrong with it, but I can't tell why it isn't a disproof of a theist God and deist God. Here's my argument:


  1. Something which is all-knowing/omniscient (or which hypothetically/might be all-knowing), say Allah, always knew it would create, say, a unique human called "Adam A" because it can tell the future for all eternity.

  2. However, that all-knowing something is unable to not create Adam A, it can't stop the creation of Adam A, because it always knew for certain it would create Adam A. It can't have freewill or be all-powerful.

  3. Therefore something which is omniscient, omnipotent and has freewill at the same time is logically contradictory and impossible.

So some counters I've tried to come up with are as follows:

For 1 above: "The all knowing thing can't tell the future".

But if it can't tell the future it isn't all-knowing. If it can't tell the future there are loads of things it can't do or know like tell what I'm about to think next before I think it myself.

For 2 above: "It is able to not create Adam A/to stop the creation of Adam A after all".

But then what it always knew, that it would create Adam A, is wrong. It knew for certain it would create Adam A then changed its mind and didn't create Adam A. This means what it originally knew for certain, that it would create Adam A, was wrong. Its knowledge of the future was wrong so it wouldn't be all-knowing.

Any responses to the argument would be appreciated.

EDIT: I found a very similar argument on the wiki Smiting Shepherds, see the "Omniscience Paradox" diagram. NOTE: This argument on Smiting Shepherds assumes God exists and that it is a paradox not a contradiction. Mine doesn't. My version just says 'if we think of something all-knowledgeable', it doesn't assume a God exists and shows that something all-knowing + all-powerful + has freewill/"God" is a logical contradiction. Something all-knowing which is also all-powerful and has freewill certainly doesn't exist.


Concise version:


  1. Allah knows he will create Adam.

  2. Allah is unable to not create Adam, because if it did not create him, it would be wrong about creating Adam and thus not be omniscient.

  3. Therefore most versions of Allah cannot be all knowing, have freewill and be all-powerful as this leads to logical contradictions.


Someone else's longer version:


1a. An Omniscient being is one with full knowledge of everything, at all points in (or outside of) time, including of itself.

1b. X is an Omniscient being

C1. Therefore, Being X knows every choice it will ever make.

2. Free will is the ability of a thinking being to freely choose amongst two or more options, without predetermination. That is, having made one choice, if time were rewound and the same choice was made a second time, a different outcome is possible.

3. From C1, at every point where a choice is to be made, Being X must NECESSARILY make the choice it already knows it will make. No other possibility exists.

C2. Therefore, since it cannot choose otherwise, Being X cannot have free will.


Q and A:


Q: Why is something that is all-knowing, all-powerful and that has freewill a logical contradiction?

A: Because if the all-knowing thing says "I know for certain I'm going to create Adam A but I certainly don't create Adam A" that is a logical contradiction. "I create Adam A for certain and don't create Adam A for certain", contradiction.

Q: It can still choose to create Adam A or not can't it?

A: No, because it always knew it would create Adam A. What you're saying is it knew for certain that it would create Adam A then it can choose, for certain, not to create Adam A. What it knew for certain, that it would create Adam A, was wrong. It can't be all-knowledgeable and have freewill.

Q: Why can it be all-knowing and all-powerful?

A: It can't even stop the creation of Adam A, because it always knew it would create Adam A, so it can't be all powerful.

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