Atheism is certainly true / God disproved: Can God count eternally? Or God the "Eternal Counter".

 God is defined as an intelligence (which should be able to count) that is eternal. Either the intelligence didn't start to count but did start to count eternally (logical contradiction) or it did start to count in which case it can't count eternally. It can't count all at once because..

...if it cannot count individually / eternally then it can't count at all, including all at once/instantly.

 

Therefore the definition of God is a logical contradiction and certainly doesn't exist.

 

Ignostic-Atheism is certainly true.

 

God disproved/disproven.


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All Gods can be defined as intelligences which can count eternally (without beginning or end, without start or finish.)

But to count eternally is impossible: Why? Because at what time did the intelligence begin to count? You must begin to count to start/begin to count. If you say it didn’t begin to count because it was counting eternally then it didn’t begin to count. You can’t say it didn’t begin to count but it did begin to count eternally and not contradict yourself. That is a logical contradiction like saying a married bachelor. If you say it did begin to count then the intelligence was not counting eternally (without beginning.) God, “The Eternal Counter”, disproved (within the definition is a logical contradiction.)

The "eternal intelligence" couldn't count all at once/instantly because it can't count: If it can't count individually and eternally then it can't count at all so how can it count instantly? Impossible. Contradiction: it didn’t begin to count but it did begin to count eternally

Could God count forever/eternally if he wanted to? Yes? EDIT: Can God count for eternity? If "yes" then when did he start counting? If he "didn't start to count because he was counting for eternity" then he didn't start to count so could not have been counting for eternity. God disproved: The eternal thing that created everything else can't count for eternity so can't be an intelligent God, with a mind, who knows everything that is possible and can do anything that is possible and who is eternal. The universe must be infinite as something cannot come from an absolute nothing. There is no counting without time: To count there must be time - an indefinite past, present and future serious of events. Start connotates time and as there was no time a God couldn't "start to count". If you say God can start to count then there is time with God. But we're assuming time began. Then when did God start counting? What did he "not" start counting from? 0? What was the first number he counted? How could he always be counting he didn't even start. If God is eternal he should be able to count forever. God had to start counting even though he is eternal? Illogical, no? There has to be a first number so when did he think about the first number 0/1? The eternal thing that created everything else couldn't count. "There is no first number" you might say so God could always count. Of course there is a first natural number, 0.
If God has been around for eternity he should be able to count eternally. But counting MUST require a start. So if he started to count it isn't eternal so he can't count eternal. He would first of all start counting and secondly he couldn't stop and couldn't reach infinite. You, or an intelligent thing, have to start to count them. When did God start? If you say he didn't start then he didn't count. If you say he had to start then he couldn't do it for eternity.


Can God count for eternity? If "yes" then when did he start counting? If he "didn't start to count because he was counting for eternity" then he didn't start to count, so didn't start to count, so could not have been counting for eternity. God disproved: The eternal thing that created everything else can't count for eternity so can't count and can't be an intelligent God, with a mind, who knows everything that is possible and can do anything that is possible and who is eternal. The universe must be infinite as something cannot come from an absolute nothing.

There is no counting without time: To count there must be time - an indefinite past, present and future serious of events. Start connotates time and as there was no time a God couldn't "start to count". If you say God can start to count then there is time with God. But we're assuming time began.



THEIST RESPONSE#2: "You shot yourself in the foot. It's atheist philosophers (like Oppy) who believe in infinite regress (disproved by your own tweet), not theists. Theists believe God transcends time, since time began to exist at the Big Bang, making your "when" question meaningless and stupid."


My Atheist response: Could God count for eternity yes or no? If yes then when did he start? If you say he didn't start, well, then, he didn't start so couldn't be counting for eternity.

You're being pedantic. This has nothing to do with an infinite regress. How could he eternally count then?

So you need time to count?


Theist#2: For an atheist? Yes, precisely b/c, in naturalism, by definition, matter comes before mind, so, in order for minds to count, you need spacetime and matter (nature). For a theist? No.

Counting for past eternity has *everything* to do with infinite regress. That's *precisely* what infinite regress means. I'm not being pedantic. I'm following your argument where it leads. You may want to read up here:


Me:

I say this as an atheist: Could God count forever/eternally if he wanted to? Yes? EDIT: Can God count for eternity? If "yes" then when did he start counting? If he "didn't start to count because he was counting for eternity" then he didn't start to count, so didn't start to count, so could not have been counting for eternity. God disproved. Then when did God start counting? What did he "not" start counting from? 0? What was the first number he counted? How could he always be counting he didn't even start. If God is eternal he should be able to count forever. God had to start counting even though he is eternal? Illogical, no? There has to be a first number so when did he think about the first number 0/1? The eternal thing that created everything else couldn't count. "There is no first number" you might say so God could always count. Of course there is a first natural number, 0. If God has been around for eternity he should be able to count eternally. But counting MUST require a start. So if he started to count it isn't eternal so he can't count eternal. He would first of all start counting and secondly he couldn't stop and couldn't reach infinite. You, or an intelligent thing, have to start to count them. When did God start? If you say he didn't start then he didn't count. If you say he had to start then he couldn't do it for eternity.



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